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  Bible Chronology, Egyptology and the Great Flood

  by cappytan in

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  fact: bible chronology says the flood occurred between 2348 and 2370 bce, depending on which scholar you listen to.

  fact: the great pyramid of giza was constructed 200 years before, in c. 2560 bce..

  so, if you believe in a literal interpretation of noah's flood, you believe that the egyptians built a great civilization, were destroyed by the flood in 2370 bce, and then somehow, they reappeared immediately after the flood, picked right back up where they left off without skipping a cultural beat.. oh, and isn't it ironic that legitimately studying the great pyramid of giza debunks jw mythology now?

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  Quite so Vidiot but from the point of view of potential punters, the JW religion is beginning to look like it's stuck in the middle ages.
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  Bible Chronology, Egyptology and the Great Flood

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fact: bible chronology says the flood occurred between 2348 and 2370 bce, depending on which scholar you listen to.

  fact: the great pyramid of giza was constructed 200 years before, in c. 2560 bce..

  so, if you believe in a literal interpretation of noah's flood, you believe that the egyptians built a great civilization, were destroyed by the flood in 2370 bce, and then somehow, they reappeared immediately after the flood, picked right back up where they left off without skipping a cultural beat.. oh, and isn't it ironic that legitimately studying the great pyramid of giza debunks jw mythology now?

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  Half banana

  JW thinking is more and more out of step with modern thought. To uphold its fairy tale beliefs such as the flood and Adam and Eve requires ever more credulity and ignorance. This means that JWs with a glimmer of intelligence have to live with ever greater cognitive dissonance to remain in the congregation. GET OUT NOW BEFORE THEY STEAL YOUR REMAINING BRAIN CELLS!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses 2015 Regional Convention Saturday PM experience parents shunning children

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  clip 3 minutes long.

  ron and brenda sutton ................warwick 3 children

  it was the missed association with family that brought them back.

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  How loving a provision Jehovah has made through his loving organisation to lovingly cut off your children if they choose not to follow the JW org. Only a god of love and a loving organisation could come up with such utter heartless crap.

  The end result is what the JW org is already getting: a loveless cult full of uneducated suckers who only attend out of being shown conditional love. Very sad.
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  2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

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  You have to be a bit odd to get your cousin to plunge you under water to serve an invisible sky god. Its a cult and always was a cult. It only appeals to the hopeless, lonely and undereducated.
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  Does The Governing Body Have Enemies At Bethel?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  i would think that a lot of resentment is building up for these for these guys at bethel even though it may not be discussed openly for fear of being abused by the gb in some way.. any way looking at their personality and the extreme phoniness of rubber mouth/face lett, and am#3, and the chicken shit coward leosch who won't even show up in court when subpoena'd to defend his faith or policies, and i'm sure they have many more undesirable traits that repel people instead of attract and that has to work its toll on relationships they have at bethel.. and this shunning thing i'm sure must really erk some at god's house and while they may not be free to voice their discontent i feel it must be building because these guys are complete nincompoops when it come to reality and the only way they know how to give direction is with fear and guilt which i'm sure is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.. and let not forget the issues that are raise when they stole all the congregations savings and the pledge drive for more cash, ban on higher education, lawsuit pay out and etc.... what is this doing to the relation ship they have with legal and accounting i see trouble brewing right thier in the spiritual pair of dice..

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  Interesting Brokeback, in Jungian terms I guess that the individual GB members share the experience of the “emergent self” collectively as leaders within a religious power fantasy! In this corporate realisation they have lost contact with the ground and feel authorised to fulfil their psychotic destiny regardless of the feelings of their flock.

  The accountants however will bring them back down to earth with a bang!
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  The perpetual End of the World

  by Half banana in

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  one thing common to human culture is a belief that god will punish a dissolute world.

  the earliest reference i have encountered is from a cuneiform tablet 4800 years old:.

  an assyrian clay tablet dating to approximately 2800 bc was unearthed bearing the words "our earth is degenerate in these latter days.

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  .....or should I say we were very sad people!

  @ prologos, a moebius strip is a very good illustration of the 1914 overlapping generation excuse---in other words too complicated! Ever tried cutting one in half along its length?

  They should have come clean last year and finally admitted, "Yes were are just a doomsday cult".
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  The perpetual End of the World

  by Half banana in

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  one thing common to human culture is a belief that god will punish a dissolute world.

  the earliest reference i have encountered is from a cuneiform tablet 4800 years old:.

  an assyrian clay tablet dating to approximately 2800 bc was unearthed bearing the words "our earth is degenerate in these latter days.

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  Vidiot, I’m sure you are right, some unfortunate people have nothing but trouble and injustice in their lives, divine retribution is all they might hope for...many must be JWs. Also there are those who have nothing to lose, so to become a JW is a step up in the social ranking, from the gutter up to the lowest rung of the ladder. For others who have no chance of ever achieving anything in life; simply the impossible hope of eternal paradise is enough for some to stick with it...but they are very sad people.
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  Just how is JW org doing?

  by Half banana in

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  i started posting on the ex community about five years ago since two of my children have remained under the jw spell.

  back then i had little tangible hope of seeing the downfall of the org.

  i now see evidence of big cracks forming in their hermetic carapace..

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  Well said Vidiot. My point still stands I think; some years ago there were no signs of decline yet now there is evidence of stagnation at the very least. I think due to 1/ the western world waking up to the cultic nature of JW thinking not being acceptable in advanced societies 2/ negative publicity; Conti et al. 3/ financial difficulties due to the aforementioned.

  It is not apparent that the tipping point has arrived yet but the signs are strong. One does get the impression that the GB are anxious.
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  How many of you think.......

  by punkofnice in

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  ..that the governing body are only in it for money and power?.

  how many of you think the gb are all/some are sincere?.

  okay, i know this has been asked before but i can't find the thread and there are newbies here.....and i like the sound of my own voice.

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  Punky, you mention one thing which never crosses their cosseted brains, the harm they do and repayment for that harm. Perhaps now is the time to seek redress?

  To submit yourself to the org is to be deprived of liberty and be stunted in emotional and intellectual development. What financial compensation can one ask from them for this harm they do?

  JW children are deliberately deprived of expanding their understanding of life because the GB wants compliant zombies not thinkers. They say all you must do is ”listen and obey”. This is the talk of tyrants; they must know they are hurting people. Their rationale is “WTS first” because that means continuation of their privilege and its prideful perks.

  When I was a Jdub I suffered from a permanent sense of anxiety, I would say I lived a blighted life and it all fell away after I left, what a taste of freedom! Of course many grow away from the cult and leave their soul destroying edicts behind but to be a faithful JW means to live an unfulfilled life, wasted on the undeserving bunch of religious nutters in charge.
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  Statue of Marsyas died on a stake?

  by enigma1863 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so jws have been spreading this picture around claiming it supports the roman torture stake belief.

  this is the statue of marsyas the satyr, a greek mythical creature.

  he lost a challenge to apollo and was flayed.

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  Half banana

  The essence of JW condemnation for a cross comes from their distaste for all things pagan. They reveal their own early Christ-cult notion of separating themselves from things unholy, worldly or contaminated by religious practice they consider false. Catholic Christianity chose the cross as its symbol, a stylised torture instrument, and the WT as part of affirming its own identity chose to disassociate itself from this emblem. As a fundamental selling point, their rhetoric is always to make themselves appear pure and separate from the world, an impulse borrowed from much of the OT writings, especially in connection with the setting up of the henotheistic (one god among many) identity of worship of the pagan Yahweh.

  Their attempts are in vain! What the JW org can never achieve is freedom from pagan beliefs. Christianity is sourced almost entirely from pagan folk myth, just condemning the cross for being pagan is to not see the wood for the trees. They are fixated on making the distinction between a cross and stake but miss the fact that “crucifixion” at the saviour hero’s death was a key element of the pagan story, the death at a specific time.

  If you are still interested in my theme; around two centuries before the beginning of the calendar it was observed that the equinox occurred at the time when the path of the sun crossed the line of the equator as seen on a primitive armillary sphere. The overlapping lines formed a “cross” as in a saltire or St Andrew’s cross (like an X but on its side). At the spring equinox, (day of equal daylight and night) the northern hemisphere sees a marked increase in the intensity of light as the sun favours the north and correspondingly moves away from the southern hemisphere. Events had always been explained by the heavenly movements and this early technical discovery was incorporated into the prevailing worship of the sun god Mithras. From then on he was often depicted standing on a plinth with the equinoctial cross engraved on its sides. This was to reinforce his lofty role as a Sun God... and when was he crucified? As were all the christs, they were Sun-Gods: born annually at the mid-winter solstice and sacrificially died annually at the spring equinox in other words “at the cross” of the spring equinox. The Catholic Church had great interest in persuading its many Mithras worshippers to embrace its fusion “catholic” faith. In the fourth century it finally absorbed and fused together, or syncretised important pagan beliefs establishing Roman Catholic orthodoxy, thereby gaining mass political allegiance from the believers. This called for incorporating much of the Mithraic dogma... including its need for the Lamb of God to die on a cross at Easter.

  NT religion uses double entendre to speak its catholic message.